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Signal-Lecture-8715

OP you need a little education in Geopolitics it seems.

Indian believes Kashmir is an integral part of India.

Just as you don't understand their obsession with Balouchistan, they don't understand Pakistan's obsession with Kashmir.

Pakistan has funded and nurtured a freedom movement in Kashmir for many decades, without doubt. This is viewed as terrorism by India.

So they return the favor to Pakistan by funding and nurturing a "freedom" movement in Balouchistan.

I'm not going to comment on the validity or truth about either freedom movement, because to do so would require a 1000 page book to adequately cover the truth about either conflict.

I'd suffice to say, if Pakistan and India both put their energies into solving the problems of both Balochi and Kashmiri people's concerns then there wouldn't be room for separatist sentiments in either region, hence nothing for their opponents to exploit. 

Separatist movements only rise when there is perceived injustice against the status quo. You can't tell me large portions, of the kashmiri people and Balochi people don't have justified grievances against India and Pakistan respectivly.

Also in the 80's India funded terrorism in Karachi (Muhajir /sindhi fasaad) and the Pakistani's responded in kind by funding the Khalistani freedom movement. Both those are now dead issues, so both parties have moved onto focus on fresh cracks in their adversaries civil stability.

Its a story as old as time. Widen outrage over existing civil issues that your enemy has and exploit them to your benefit.

Welcome to the world of real Geopolitics.

fighting14

They want to draw false equivalences between Balochistan and Kashmir. Difference is one is an internationally recognised disputed territory subject to UNSC Resolution 80 for a referendum and the other is Balochistan.

noshiet2

Hypocrites. The world is full of them. The only reason for the obsession is to hurt Pakistan.

Jade_Rook

Pretty much the same obsession you have with Kashmir

Vinzy_T

ik i might sound stupid but can the chinese just help in turning it into an independent country?

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The NSA said this previously... [https://scroll.in/video/801447/watch-ajit-doval-say-if-pakistan-does-one-mumbai-it-may-lose-balochistan](https://scroll.in/video/801447/watch-ajit-doval-say-if-pakistan-does-one-mumbai-it-may-lose-balochistan)

Codecat01

I had no idea top leadership of BLA lives in USA. :O

If true, this is oof. This will also explain why USA has such a tight grasp on Pakistan. I always wondered why hasn't China offered equivalent IMF loans to Pakistan if it removes USA influence from Pakistan. 

If Pakistan doesn't get to fully side with China as per their will, then India won't have to fully side with USA preventing war with China.

  
Do you have any EVIDENCE pointing to your claim that top leadership of BLA lives in USA?

imaginemecrazy

Our government has nothing to do with Balochistan. We don't host any BLA camps in our country and neither do we share a border with Balochistan+ Sindh-GJ/RJ border is almost fully fenced . I don't know about RAW but our involvement in terror is unlikely

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Sirf Balochistan nahi poore mulk ko lore lge hue hain

ashhadnaeem

The issue of Balochistan goes back to the time of independence, when Balochistan was made up of the erstwhile princely state of Kalat. Though there were two other states Lasbela and Makran, they were essentially part of the Kalat state, ruled by a man called the Khan of Kalat. Initially the Khan was in talks with Jinnah for an independent state, but later the Pakistani state sidelined his demands and Jinnah refused to accept any independent state. Things kept escalating until by 1948 Pakistan sent its armed forces into Kalat and annexed the state in a similar manner to how India Annexed Junagadh and Hyderabad. The Khan, under pressure, signed the instrument of ascension and thus the state of Kalat became part of Pakistan. Baloch resistance started soon after, led by the Khan's brother.
After skirmishes with the Pakistani state through the 50s, the resistance fighters fled to the hills of Balochistan. The rebels were given the option of amnesty, which convinced them to come down from their hiding spots. However when they came down, the state had them arrested. Some of them were hanged, while a revered Baloch leader, Nawab Nauroz Khan was spared execution but remained in prison where he died by 1965.
In the 1970s when Bhutto unfairly dismissed the elected Baloch government, another insurgency was sparked. This time it was put down with brutal violence and a long military operation.
In the 80s, Zia ul Haq changed the tactics and tried a less violent way to deal with their grievances. 
The situation worsened far more in the early 2000s, when Musharraf came to power. By this time Akbar Bugti, a Baloch leader started demanding for the Pakistani state to stop exploiting Balochistan. He demanded that the gas that Balochistan provides to the rest of the country, should benefit the Balochi people the most which it is not. However Musharraf continued to see Bugti as a threat to Pakistan and did not listen to his grievances. Instead of a political solution he was bent on a military one to eliminate Bugti and his followers. Which is exactly what happened. Bugti was killed in a military operation in 2006 when he was hiding in a cave and the Pakistani forces blasted the cave's entrance, burying him alive. His death sparked much outrage in the Balochi people and was the catalyst for the formation of organizations such as BLA and BLF which formulated around the same time.

A repeating phenomenon thus becomes the constant political dismissal of the Balochi people and an emphasis on dealing with them only through force.

When Musharraf fell from power in 2007 and democracy was brought back to Pakistan, the people's party came up with a reform Package to develop Balochistan however it didn't go too far as implementation is concerned. 

The 2010s saw the rise in violence especially with the CPEC project being introduced in 2016. The Balochis saw it as a further exploration of their land by foreign elements. They saw no benefit from this development for the Baloch people, rather it was to the benefit of the Chinese and the rest of the Pakistani state. Thus attacks against Chinese engineers and workers, working under CPEC became commonplace. The Pakistani state intensified their crackdown on such elements as well, and forced disappearances of 'suspected terrorists', which had already been happening since the 2000s, saw a sharp rise.

Punjabis have also become a target of Balochi insurgent violence because they blame Punjabis for taking their jobs and livelihood.

This brings up to the more recent times where all of these years of mistreatment and opression have culminated into a deep resentment of the Pakistani state amongst the common Balochi people. The state treats the province like its colony, where it extracts all its resources for its own benefit and refuses to give anything to the local people. Today the people of Balochistan don't have good education or clean water or even food to eat, while the Pakistani state aims to develop Pakistan on Balochi resources through projects like CPEC and reko diq.

johnwilkisbooth

In a nutshell , they say that they are very undeveloped compared to other provinces when they have a lot of natural resources. The state uses their resources to develop Punjab that's the reason for their hate towards punjabis.

Still-Category-9433

its the same thing why east pakistan was seperated from us. we extract resources from their land and still its the most underdeveloped province

It started in 1958 by Shaheed Nauroz Khan he wanted Baloch people rights for Balochistan not governed by Pakistan Army instead civilians should have the right to govern the province

glitzybling

The people of Balochistan have been used for their resources and all without being properly compensated for be it monetarily or given a share in Government. Hence the resentment towards the government. 
Then in the early 2000s a Captain or Major raped a female doctor in Dera Bugti, and when Nawab Bugti demanded a trail General Musharraf retaliated. Which led to more resentment towards the government and the armed forces. If this is kept up then we will see another separation of 1971.

Loud-Warning-8953

MrEfffsola

* Balochistan was a princely state under British India. When Pakistan was formed in 1947, there was controversy over how Balochistan was incorporated. The Khan of Kalat (a Baloch ruler) initially sought independence but later acceded to Pakistan under pressure — some claim it was forced.
* Since then, many Baloch nationalists have felt that the region was annexed unfairly and that Balochistan has been exploited. It’s Pakistan’s largest province by land but the least developed. Despite rich resources (gas, minerals, etc.), many locals feel they don’t see the benefits — they accuse the federal government of neglect and suppression.
*  There have been several insurgencies/uprisings since the 1950s, with demands ranging from greater autonomy to outright independence. The most recent wave picked up in the early 2000s.
*  Pakistan has responded with a heavy military presence. Accusations of human rights abuses, enforced disappearances, and targeting of activists and students are common. 
* China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) runs through Balochistan, especially Gwadar Port. Many Baloch feel they were never consulted and won't benefit — which has added fuel to the fire.
*  Pakhtuns (especially in KP and tribal areas) have also faced marginalisation and stereotyping post-9/11, as their regions became conflict zones. Many peaceful Pakhtuns have been unjustly labelled, which has caused resentment.

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imjustagirl_9

India and other countries inciting rebellion in balochistan and funding rebels who do terrorist attacks  because they don't want gawadar port to be constructed bcz itll derive their business away

Balochistan's history dates back to ancient times, with evidence of human settlements around 7000 BCE. The region was part of various empires, including the Achaemenid, Seleucid, and Sassanian Empires. In the medieval period, it was conquered by Arab forces and later by the Ghaznavid Empire.

##Modern History
In 1947, Balochistan was a collection of princely states, including Kalat, Kharan, Las Bela, and Makran. The Khan of Kalat, Mir Ahmad Yar Khan, declared independence on August 15, 1947, but Pakistan's founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, had other plans.

##Accession to Pakistan
Jinnah's government pressured the Khan of Kalat to merge with Pakistan, despite the Khan's reluctance. The Khan initially resisted, but eventually signed the merger document on March 27, 1948, after Pakistan's military moved into the region. This event is still considered a betrayal by many Baloch people.

##Aftermath
The forced integration of Kalat into Pakistan led to insurgency and struggles for sovereignty among the Baloch people. Prince Abdul Karim, the brother of the Khan of Kalat, led a rebellion in 1948, which was suppressed by the Pakistani army. Similar uprisings occurred in 1958, 1962, and the early 1970s.

##Current Situation
Today, Balochistan remains a neglected and poverty-stricken province of Pakistan, despite being rich in natural resources. The region continues to experience political instability, militancy, and tensions between the local population and the Pakistani government ¹.

Balochistan is going to be free soon. India won't stop attacks any time soon .

DeliveryInside8695

Baloch army , Indian army Afghan army are attacking at the same time. India had supposedly found evidence of terrorist conspiracies involving Pakistani terrorist, jmb and hamas in Bangladesh. 

, India &amp; Israel backed attack might happen soon  to eradicate all terror threats from all parts of the Indian boundaries. They are going to deploy never before seen Ai military technology.

Basically to put it simply, the punjabi military which consists of rich elite families that trace their lineage to involvement and roles in British colonialism. They take many resources from Bolachistan very similar to the way they did in bengal, but their excuse is that there isn't that many people in Bolachistan so why invest in bolachistan. These days, they've been kidnapping bolachs, and torturing them in very inhumane ways very similar to the way they did in bengal, sometimes even harvesting their organs. I would reccomend listening to "candid with lubna" channel but she got death threats recently and she took many videos down as a result. In canada, where I'm from this bolach activist Karim bolach was killed and her husband said he thinks that its  ISI involvement. This incident made no noise as the incident of hardeep nijjar singh, and that's when I realized Canada's political parties are deeply infiltrated. Now there might be some "india" involvement with the bolachistan movement but do you generally think that the pakistani punjabi elite who tortured, raped, genocided, and in general treated begnalis like animals, and still teach things like the martial race theory in their schools aren't capable of such evil to other groups? Also, they were deporting afghan refugees they first took in after ruining afghanistan, funding taliban for who? For the CIA. They still kept these terror bases in pakistani soil and now trains and funds insurgency groups to go to india. If you do research on all that I said, trust me you'd come to the same conclusions. They are a very evil group of people, I don't think even the most barbaric Arab terrorists can mimic such evil.

Constant_Couple_4804

A separate Balochistan will primarily cause problems for just one group: the residents of Balochistan. Everyone keeps raving on about how many earth minerals Balochistan has but they keep forgetting that the cost of excavating those minerals is higher than the market value of the minerals themselves, even if we forget the mortal risk factor. If that wasn't the case, the greedy 'businessmen' of Pakistan would have run those reserves dry by now if the international businesses didn't sink their teeth in first. Gas reserves are not that valuable as Pakistan's gas demand is SO high, we import the overwhelmingly vast majority of it.

Secondly, most people living there are tribal by nature. Infact, the place is so sparsely populated that if you look at a population density map of Pakistan, the Balochistan will distinctly jump out at you as being the least shaded and you won't even need provincial boundaries to tell it apart. Now overlap that with a percentage map of Balochi speaks and you'll see a completely inverted result in relation to the population density. I.e, the Baloch live in the sparsely populated areas while the densely populated areas are mostly inhabited by people who *don't* speak Balochi. This factored on top of tribalism is the bane of large cities (aka economic hubs aka development).

How exactly will such an economy survive once separated? They won't be able to trade via Gawadar since Pakistan literally *purchased* that city from Oman in 1958 and will rather dismantle it than give it to Balochistan. And of course, Balochistan doesn't have the resources to buy it off either. The Chinese influence via investments there would also spell trouble. That just leaves them with Quetta as a dry port which facilitates trade to Afghanistan. Considering how often that port is suspended and that it's the only dry port that the PSW didn't extend it's new facilities to, it's not a very valuable one. With Peshawar dry port as an alterative, they can forget earning any thing of value via tariffs on trade via Quetta.

And who's their neighbors? Iran, and Afghanistan who they are in extremely bad terms with and a new neighbor called Pakistan. Trade prospects would pretty much resemble the kind of trade prospects Pakistan and India have currently.

Finally, let's also not forget that most of the talent required for development is brought in from the rest of Pakistan anyways so that source would be cut off too and nurturing their own talent would be off the tables too as the subsides from Pakistan would be gone too. Their share of the annual budget is higher in terms of percentage that their annual provincial GDP after all yet nobody in the rest of Pakistan complains about that either because guess what, we all consider the Baloch part of despite of easily they get influenced by foreign separatist propaganda.

Do I even need to mention how mountainous, infertile and barren that region even is?

Practicality be damned, the idea doesn't even sound good on paper.

salmangamer

Will matters resolve? Have matters resolved? Like ever?

Pinkman-1

Bangladesh was the poorest area under Pakistan but surpassed Pakistan when they became independent. They were also called traitors and what not, and how they wouldn't be able to survive. People act like Pakistan, especially Balochistan, is some good place to live in under Pakistani rule but Pakistan is one of the worst countries to live in worldwide. Especially Balochistan. 

We support Kashmiri independence, couldn't you use all the same arguments there? 

Let's say everything is the fault of Balochs. Why not let them separate then if they are so stupid? 

This reasoning is complete nonsense and it truly shows our lack of basic foresight. Hold the state accountable first before you blame people for going against the state. Why are we more concerned about separatists going against the state rather than the state not allowing basic rights, like right to vote, expressing political opinions, rule of law and an end to corruption? If we want to be pragmatic, we need to hold the state accountable first and make sure that it does its part, before we take measures against people who are against the state. Give them reasons to be with the state rather than telling them that their feelings and thoughts are just wrong, do you think that will resolve anything and lead to peace?

I want a unified pakistan, but that only works if you give people a perspective within this country.

Edit: this comment is not specifically for the OP but the overall comments I am reading here.

Baluchistan is multi ethnic. The unrest is in Baloch areas. The mekranis, the pakhtun areas, the brahvis are peaceful. If u read the manifesto they are looking for independence in Baloch areas only, not the whole province. The catch is that more Baloch live in South Punjab than they do in Baluchistan. However I disagree that it can't flourish as an independent state. I definitely don't want it to go but with a strategic location as gateway to central Asia, a long coastline, gwadar port, small population and rich mineral resources it can prosper as a secular state like Bangladesh. However we shouldn't let this happen and we should try our level best to find amicable solutions.

Full_Computer6941

Balochistan will never separate from the country and if u think it will ur so idiotic . It can’t even be an independent state

VeterinarianSea7580

Basically this is not how countries break up... First step is lack of local governance that is filled with militant groups like if there is a dispute people go to the Taliban to have it resolved... That is called shadow govt. Lots of areas of KP, Balochistan and even Punjab near KP have this going on... Local police and army will make deals with militant groups not to target them and will not engage them... That's also going on... This is what happened in Afghanistan and Syria... We are at initial stage where the country is slowly losing its writ...

But officially the currency used will still be Pakistani rupee and it will be a part of Pakistan...

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